20,000 RPM Raptor?

[inotocracy]

I could imagine how much this thing could possibly vibrate :eek: Would be a nice upgrade from my 150gb Raptor.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/06/06/western-digital-working-on-20-000-rpm-raptor/1

[aardvark sandwich]

Capitalism. Gotta love it :)

[AthlonXP]

that's going to be one loud drive.

[aardvark sandwich]

They claim in the article that it will be silent. Remember, this is designed to compete against SSD.

[Ockie]

I can't wait for this.

[bholstege]

I hope the platter doesn't fly apart.

[ALL4AMD]

didn't we have a thread over a month ago that talked about this? :confused:

http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/2691/250/0.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&tnum=33&id=2691)

[XS Janus]

Yes and from the same source...
No confirmation on this subject, no?
:confused:

[nitrobass24]

I can't wait for this.

And who said SSd's were taking over.....

[Brahmzy]

This is utter BS until I see it. Hard Drive manu's have been literally stuck at the 15K RPM barrier. There are HUGE engineering hurdles that have to figured out to get past 15K RPM. 20K for a dektop enthusiast drive??? Yeah right. If the the Enterprise markets don't have 'em WE won't see 'em.

Claiming a BIG B.S. on this one.

Although I'd be trading my VRaptors in on 'em if it did happen. :)

[bigdogchris]

I still haven't seen a SSD that has great performance over standard HDD.

[Joe Average]

It would be pretty much impossible in this day and age to create a 20K rpm hard drive, period. There's no known material that would be cost effective to use for the platter material: metals won't handle that stress, not glass, nothing that would be capable of making it happen while keeping the cost low enough to actually be useful.

Every SSD ever made currently beats any HD ever made on random access speed - you can't compare 5+ milliseconds of access time to 0.1 or less millisecond access times, so SSD wins on that aspect right now and always will.

They also win against physical hard drives in the fact that their sustained average read speed is consistent - it's not constant but it is consistent whereas physical hard drives start fast and just get slower the deeper you go into the platters. They do lose on the sustained actual speeds, both read and write, for single drives, but that's changing very fast as Flash-RAM technology is evolving at a very rapid pace.

As time goes by we'll see SSDs for great prices that thoroughly trounce any physical hard drive. Western Digital isn't stupid, and since they basically invented hard drives nearly 50 years ago, it's safe to make the statement that the Velociraptors are the most technologically advanced physical hard drives ever made, and I doubt they can really do much to improve on it from the physical perspective now.

Physical media storage had its time in the sun for 50 years... now it's time for solid state storage to shine, and perhaps even holographic storage in the future that makes even SSD type stuff look like its standing still.


As for performance of SSDs, there was a post recently by someone that took 4 16GB Mtron drives in a RAID 0 and was getting sustained average reads in excess of 400MB/s. Pretty spiffy, I'd say...

[oplin]

http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/

that's probably the article you're thinking of, i guess the speed is limited by the controller and that is some insane speeds. We could really use this at work where we just need 50-100gigs of space for sql server that would just fly on there.

[Joe Average]

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1318491

Actually it's a member here that I was referring too. Look at that performance. :) Absolutely astonishing...

[H911]

Once upon a time we think 10k or 15k rpm was crazy and it came true.
So 20k raptor, why not? it's possible.
It's just the matter of time.

The question is if blindly increasing the rpm is the true/only way to increase performance of HDs?
Probably not. At least not until they find some other way.

Remember those 3.4ghz or OCed 4ghz Pentium4? =D

[spazoid]

Once upon a time we think 10k or 15k rpm was crazy and it came true.
So 20k raptor, why not? it's possible.
It's just the matter of time.

The question is if blindly increasing the rpm is the true/only way to increase performance of HDs?
Probably not. At least not until they find some other way.

Remember those 3.4ghz or OCed 4ghz Pentium4? =D

What are you talking about? Noone is blindly increasing the rpm as the only method of increasing performance of harddrives, its been what, a decade or more since 15k rpm drives hit us in the face, and it's not like they havent improved since then. Increasing data density, new interfaces, new technologies - all improving all aspects of performance.

Besides, investing in 20k drives now would be a waste of money. The only thing higher spindlespeeds really improve is random access, in which field a conventional harddrive will always fall behind that of an SSD.

[piako]

sure ssd is faster, but they cost silly money
15k sas is a good bet if you need the speed
20k raptor sounds like a hoax b/c it'd make sense that the sas drives would get it first :rolleyes:

if they can pull it off it'll be great though b/c people with regular sata ports can get sas+ speed (low latency) without buying a server mobo or expensive sas hba ($$$). bet they will cost a lot though.

[Hypernova]

sure ssd is faster, but they cost silly money
15k sas is a good bet if you need the speed
20k raptor sounds like a hoax b/c it'd make sense that the sas drives would get it first :rolleyes:

if they can pull it off it'll be great though b/c people with regular sata ports can get sas+ speed (low latency) without buying a server mobo or expensive sas hba ($$$). bet they will cost a lot though.

At which point it's better to just get a SSD;)

Personally I'll probably get a SSD this time next year as an OS drive and use my VR as the game drive. Probably chuck in a 1.5TB drive for porn.

[silentcoercion]

Beyond just the "enterprise drives would do it first" problem, wouldn't Raptors be more likely to get a bump to 15krpm first, rather than jumping to ludicrous speed?

[Brahmzy]

Beyond just the "enterprise drives would do it first" problem, wouldn't Raptors be more likely to get a bump to 15krpm first, rather than jumping to ludicrous speed?

Absolutely. This is all BS friends, move on, nothing to see here.

[AthlonXP]

I agree, maybe a 15k raptor is more believable.

[Ockie]

20k rpm would be believeable if it's marketing term, such as two sets of spinning platters.