I must say Vista is freaking amazing...

[cerebrex]

I had upgraded from my old 478 northwood 2.4C just last night. I just finished putting together my water cooled E6600 system, new vid card, mobo, ram, case.. entirely new computer (first time I've ever had to do that) ... except the harddrive. I had 2 500GB sata 3.0 drives in my old system, I grabbed them, stuck them in the new untested computer, plugged my screen, keyboard, mouse, and net in, fired it up and then got called out of the room by the woman, I came back about 2 minutes later and my completely first booted PC was sitting in vista and firefox was asking if I wanted to restore my last session.. infreakingcredible. I expected, correction.. I knew, vista was going to bluescreen/crash on boot. Now, this instance of Vista was actually upgraded from WinXP, I didn't format... I think it is completely amazing that I can do an UPGRADE of all unstable decisions from XP on my OLD computer, and then build a completely new system, toss the drive in, and BAM all drivers loaded, windows functioning completely normal. I've been in this game since before windows existed.. and I must say this is the most impressed I've ever been with a piece of software... completely seemless and flawless so far.

But, I will be formatting tonight to the 64bit version and installing those famed 8800 "WHQL" drivers... we'll see how that goes. Anyways, mad props to microsoft.. amazing product.

[Torquemada XP]

Yikes.

I'd do a reformat, dude.

[colbyman]

yes, re format. you will regret it down the road if you dont...

[Martyr]

pull a linux hd and try that lol.

[B. W.]

yes, re format. you will regret it down the road if you dont...
Thirded.

[USMC2Hard4U]

I must say OSX is freaking amazing...

Fixed.

- I will add my 2 cents as well and say Reformat. But Vista dosent really do it for me.... I dunno why.

[Menelmarar]

I did an upgrade install. My system is not mission critical, only used for gaming these days so if it dies, I'll just reformat down the road. I have my system easily setup for it, only thing on OS drive are installs, all files, media and documents are on secondarydrives. Everything works great, no stability issues. Compeltely painless, the only thing I had to do when it got booted backup was get the latest nVidia and Creative drivers. I also updated the Intel INI's but I did it out of shits and giggles rather than necessity. Practically all apps and games worked. WOW, SupCom, Civ4, UT2004, all work fine. Office, and lots of other tools worked fine, even hardware level tools like Speedfan and Intel TAT work fine without error.

Only thing hosed was the Alchol imagedrive SCSI driver and TiVo desktop auto-startup stuff. Both cleanly uninstalled to clean out, haven't reinstalled yet but I suspect they will work fine once I do.


I like Vista, a lot actually. For a couple of reasons. The interface is slick and new, but generally pretty meh, ill probably go back to classis once the newness wears off.

The real cake, is the resource monitor, and all the details available on disk and memory I/O. AND inside Windows Defender the application details section where you can see details on startup applications and running applications and block them as needed.

The application independant volume control is seriously hot as well.

[Puterguru]

I must say it's freaking amazing to see someone starting a thread saying they liked Vista.

Sooo many bash Vista threads I was getting tired of reading them.

I've got Vista as well, just haven't installed it yet but I'm certain i'm gonna like it.

[cerebrex]

Seems like everyone didn't read the bottom sentence saying I was reformatting anyways.. to the 64 bit version. Thanks for chiming in guys.. Vista really is a great OS, a lot of progress from the sesspool of win95/98.

[markt435]

I must say ice cream is freaking amazing...

Fixed.

- I will add my 2 cents as well and say Reformat. But Vista dosent really do it for me.... I dunno why.

No...now its fixed. :rolleyes:

[EQTakeOffense]

Sooo many bash Vista threads I was getting tired of reading them.

I like Vista as well. I'm always affraid to say it though for fear of dirty looks.

I have to admit, I'm having alot of issues with Vista. I can't get drivers for my HP printer, my Wireless doesn't work, FireFox wont install....

So, I will admit Vista DOES have issues and problems. It IS unstable. However, the technology in Vista and where the OS is heading I love. I love the features such as built in Voice to Text, I like how My Documents has been replaced and the file system.

I like Vista because of its potential.... It's potential is MUCH more then what XP could dish out.

I'd much rather deal with an unstable operating system with potential to learn the ins and outs of it, because in the long run, as much as some of you hate to hear this Microsoft and Vista aren't going away.

[msny]

I like Vista as well. I'm always affraid to say it though for fear of dirty looks.

I have to admit, I'm having alot of issues with Vista. I can't get drivers for my HP printer, my Wireless doesn't work, FireFox wont install....

So, I will admit Vista DOES have issues and problems. It IS unstable. However, the technology in Vista and where the OS is heading I love. I love the features such as built in Voice to Text, I like how My Documents has been replaced and the file system.

I like Vista because of its potential.... It's potential is MUCH more then what XP could dish out.

I'd much rather deal with an unstable operating system with potential to learn the ins and outs of it, because in the long run, as much as some of you hate to hear this Microsoft and Vista aren't going away.

To get that HP printer working under vista try this thread...mine works
nicely now and I'm even sharing with an XP machine

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1164771

[Archer75]

I have to admit, I'm having alot of issues with Vista. I can't get drivers for my HP printer, my Wireless doesn't work, FireFox wont install....

So, I will admit Vista DOES have issues and problems. It IS unstable. However, the technology in Vista and where the OS is heading I love. I love the features such as built in Voice to Text, I like how My Documents has been replaced and the file system.


unstable for you. For me it is rock solid. Doesn't crash. Doesn't lock up. Never had a BSOD.

HP drivers are built into Vista. Unless if your printer is more than 7 years old then HP will not be producing Vista drivers for it.

[markt435]

I like Vista as well. I'm always affraid to say it though for fear of dirty looks.

I have to admit, I'm having alot of issues with Vista. I can't get drivers for my HP printer, my Wireless doesn't work, FireFox wont install....

So, I will admit Vista DOES have issues and problems. It IS unstable. However, the technology in Vista and where the OS is heading I love. I love the features such as built in Voice to Text, I like how My Documents has been replaced and the file system.

I like Vista because of its potential.... It's potential is MUCH more then what XP could dish out.

I'd much rather deal with an unstable operating system with potential to learn the ins and outs of it, because in the long run, as much as some of you hate to hear this Microsoft and Vista aren't going away.

not unstable, sorry you lose. lol :D

you're gonna get dirty looks cuz you said that its unstable when it runs completely fine for a lot of us.

[Sovereign]

No crashes here either...

[onetwenty8k]

If you think Vista amazing, try Ubuntu + Beryl, it will be HEAVEN on EARTH.

Cancel or Allow...

[EQTakeOffense]

you're gonna get dirty looks cuz you said that its unstable when it runs completely fine for a lot of us.

Well, I should clarify. I have an Asus laptop, and not sure how much you know about Asus laptops, but they have taken along time to get any drivers out. I've been on www.notebookreview.com and their forums and alot of people are having issues getting certain programs to work with Vista.

Lol, so while I probably will get dirty looks saying it's unstable, I'll stick by that claim. I mean, truthfully, is an operating system that works for 80% of people stable? It's just a point of view and perspective. It's in the details that make the difference.

To each their own :cool:

Edit: For me, it's not crashes of BSOD it's just programs or hardware not working correctly. I would do a clean install, but I'm currently in college and don't really have the time to take a full day from school to wipe everything and start over. I'll just wait until the end of the semester. It's just more annoying then anything else really.

Edit 2: If you think Vista amazing, try Ubuntu + Beryl, it will be HEAVEN on EARTH.

I would be into Ubuntu (my sisters boyfriend LOVES it) but, I'm an International Business & Economics major and, well, everything Buisness' use is Microsoft based. I figure becoming proficient at Microsoft products is much better for my future job prospects then trying to master a new OS. Plus, again with school I don't really have the time to mess around with another OS.

Again, just my personal prefences, although my sisters boyfriend has shown me some aspects of Ubuntu, and it does look quite impressive. I just have never used it myself.

[BBowermaster]

Shut Up or GTFO/Leave

Fixed for the troll. Get lost. :rolleyes:

[bbz_Ghost]

Cancel or Allow...

You've been watching entirely too many Apple commercials. It says "Continue" or "Cancel," bub. :D

It's bad enough to see a tainted opinion, but tainted and wrong, boy, that's a horrible combination.

[Catweazle]

I like Vista as well. I'm always affraid to say it though for fear of dirty looks.....

heh heh....

I got told this morning I'm close to being banned from Overclockers Australia for "Over-zealously defending Vista...."

All I've ever posted there which could possibly be construed as such is objection to bullshit and explanation about why it's bullshit!

:D

[sn3ak3rp1mp]

Well, I should clarify. I have an Asus laptop, and not sure how much you know about Asus laptops, but they have taken along time to get any drivers out.
You should have stopped typing there. Microsoft cannot realistically produce drivers for every single piece of hardware under the sun. So it's your manufacturer to blame, not Vista itself.

There is also a notable difference between an OS being "Unstable" and manufacturers not releasing drivers at launch (after several betas and release candidates being available to the public at large, I might add).

Hell, I had to buy a different motherboard because I had an issue with the ULi chipset on my old board. Had I checked the Vista HCL http://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ I would have saved myself some grief.

Cheers!

[markt435]

I mean, truthfully, is an operating system that works for 80% of people stable?

yes. hardware companies need to make the drivers work if they're gonna say they support Vista. so presumably 80% of the hardware works with vista. plus there is a tool for checking compatibility. ppl need to use it. at least MS didn't say "hey fuckers, you're on your own with seeing if Vista works."

[Catweazle]

... For me, it's not crashes of BSOD it's just programs or hardware not working correctly. I would do a clean install, but I'm currently in college and don't really have the time to take a full day from school to wipe everything and start over. I'll just wait until the end of the semester. It's just more annoying then anything else really.



I sincerely hope that, unless your laptop came preinstalled with Vista, you're not blaming anybody other than yourself for your problems. You've said that you have had to wait for drivers for your laptop, so I have to assume that it came with XP rather than with Vista.

Nobody forced you to install Vista. I presume the thing was working to begin with. Why put Vista on if drivers aren't available?

And, in any case, that has nothing to do with the OS being unstable. If you put Vista on a system which includes supported hardware, and install only software which is certified as compatible, it'll be stable. Anything other than that is the user's choice and responsibility.

[The Donut]

If you think Vista amazing, try Ubuntu + Beryl, it will be HEAVEN on EARTH.

Cancel or Allow...

See, I don't get this. I mean, I recently installed Ubuntu and Beryl and it's very nice. But I find myself having to enter my root password just as much as I had to click Continue or Cancel in Vista.

[CANiSLAYu]

I think the hype either way is unwarranted. My main issue was that my soundcard drivers (Chaintek AV710) were interfering with my network and video card drivers (onboard NIC for NVIDIA mobo and 7900GT). Upon reboot I would always lose network and video card drivers, so I figured NVIDIAs drivers were at fault since both components are NVIDIA. After reformatting and rebooting after each installation/step to see where the problem popped up, it turned out that it happened after I installed the soundcard drivers. Removed it and started using the onboard sound and haven't had a single problem since. And other than being a lot prettier than XP, there isn't really that much increased functionality.

My notebook is an Intel MacBook and 3 areas where OS X kicks Vista's butt:

1) Dashboard >>>>>>>> Sidebar
2) Expose>>>>>>>>>> Flip 3D
3) Why the hell doesn't Vista have a system-wide spell check built in?

[Archer75]

I think the hype either way is unwarranted. My main issue was that my soundcard drivers (Chaintek AV710) were interfering with my network and video card drivers (onboard NIC for NVIDIA mobo and 7900GT). Upon reboot I would always lose network and video card drivers, so I figured NVIDIAs drivers were at fault since both components are NVIDIA. After reformatting and rebooting after each installation/step to see where the problem popped up, it turned out that it happened after I installed the soundcard drivers. Removed it and started using the onboard sound and haven't had a single problem since. And other than being a lot prettier than XP, there isn't really that much increased functionality.

My notebook is an Intel MacBook and 3 areas where OS X kicks Vista's butt:

1) Dashboard >>>>>>>> Sidebar
2) Expose>>>>>>>>>> Flip 3D
3) Why the hell doesn't Vista have a system-wide spell check built in?

I always thought dashboard was stupid. I don't want all of the widgets on a seperate screen. They need to be part of the main desktop. And I don't use expose or flip 3d so it makes no difference to me.
However a system wide built in spell check would be nice.

[bbz_Ghost]

3) Why the hell doesn't Vista have a system-wide spell check built in?

"whuts' that, Bubba? Spelchekurs, i nevuh hurd ov soch thins b4 in muh ntire life..."

Who needs such things? Stupid people? Ignorant? Lazy? Defiant? Bleh.

I've never used a spellchecker in my entire life, so I really can't comprehend the use of such things. If I don't know how to spell a word properly, I go find the proper spelling and learn something in the process.

Lazy people, indeed.

[Catweazle]

...However a system wide built in spell check would be nice.
Does OSX have a system wide 'Case convert' thingy, for use after you've accidentally hit the Capslock key?

My gnarled and arthritic old hands would make that one a Godsend!

[CANiSLAYu]

I always thought dashboard was stupid. I don't want all of the widgets on a seperate screen. They need to be part of the main desktop. And I don't use expose or flip 3d so it makes no difference to me.
However a system wide built in spell check would be nice.

I think it depends on how you work and what you are working with in terms of a monitor. On my desktop I think the difference between Sidebar and Dashboard would be a lot less because there's more resolution to work with (1920 x 1200). But on my notebook (13" MacBook) where the resolution is 1280x800, if you have a lot of windows open and windows that are full screen I think Dashboard is a lot better than Sidebar. For the same reason I think Expose is great.

For those that don't have any experience with OS X, if you press F9 it brings up a full screen image of every open window and F10 opens up every open window for the active program, then you just click the window you want (or press the F key again to go back to where you were). Flip 3D looks cooler, but it has essentially zero functionality over regular ol' alt+tab.

[bbz_Ghost]

In terms of usability, and this is from my own experience, Alt+Tab on Windows (and Macs, actually) is infinitely easier for me to do than have to take my right hand off the mouse where it typically sits unless I'm typing and then it's right back to the mouse) and reach way up to the top of the keyboard and press F9 or F10. Also, since the left hand is there on the keyboard all the time, Alt+Tab is literally a 1/10 of a second maneuver after decades of using Windows.

I'm not dissing OSX, just that it needs to be stated: "to each his own...

There is no best for all persons in the exact same situation because each of us has our own little quirks and idiosynchrasies to deal with when it comes to using a computer. I move so fast on my machine that whenever people are asking me to show them something (most notably my Wife), I have to slooooooow dowwwwwwnnn to like 1/5th of my normal operational speed to show her/them what I've just done.

It seems like a blur to them, and I use the keyboard and the mouse constantly as opposed to Joe Average, consumer that happens to own a computer, who typically either tries to do everything with the mouse or the keyboard, but they very rarely ever get the point that they can use both at the same time.

I kinda liked Expose when I owned some Macs recently (4 of 'em, all long gone now) but obviously the keyboard shortcuts are just too inefficient for someone like me - that's where the corners come in and that was how I set Expose to be triggered - three corners for Expose, 1 corner for the Desktop.

OSX has some interesting methodology behind it, but it ain't Windows, and after dealing with Windows on a daily basis since before even Macs and the first "Windows Powered PC" appeared on retail shelves, I'll stick with Windows. I'm not some old dog that can't change his ways, but this becomes a situation where there's no legitimate reason to do so, that's all.

Besides, if I loaded the Vista Desktop with gadgets - "We don't need no stinkin' Sidebar..." - it's easy enough to get to them if I needed them. Which I don't, hence I don't use them or the Sidebar. Hell, I never used Dashboard either for that matter, soooo...

[CANiSLAYu]

"whuts' that, Bubba? Spelchekurs, i nevuh hurd ov soch thins b4 in muh ntire life..."

Who needs such things? Stupid people? Ignorant? Lazy? Defiant? Bleh.

I've never used a spellchecker in my entire life, so I really can't comprehend the use of such things. If I don't know how to spell a word properly, I go find the proper spelling and learn something in the process.

Lazy people, indeed. Yeah, who in their right mind likes things that increase productivity? Idiots.

:rolleyes:

Ever heard of "typos?" Guess not since apparently you have all the time in the world to proof read all of your communications three times and look up the questionable words in your handy dictionary before proceeding.

[bbz_Ghost]

Yeah, who in their right mind likes things that increase productivity? Idiots.

:rolleyes:

Ever heard of "typos?" Guess not since apparently you have all the time in the world to proof read all of your communications three times and look up the questionable words in your handy dictionary before proceeding.

Considering my computer is on a static connection, having M-W.com and Google as well as most any other resource at hand at any time is a truly remarkable thing. Who needs a dictionary anymore? That just slows me down - aka doesn't increase productivity because typically I already know the proper spelling and usage, as well as a definition too.

Public schooling ftw!!! (when schooling actually taught people something, that is. I'm old, sue me.)

The point is: if people paid more attention to what they're doing than not, spell checkers and grammar checkers wouldn't be something people have come to rely on almost to the point of... well... making forum postings like the one you did asking "Why doesn't my OS check my ignorance for me?" basically.

If you can't spell something, learn the proper spelling and get a definition so it'll link in your brain and hopefully stick with you. If you're making typos, get a typing tutor program to increase your accuracy. Simple. There are things people can do instead of just relying on the computer to handle everything for them. Not much learning going on with that methodology.

I remember a G. Gordon Liddy broadcast I happened upon years ago. He railed off on some caller that was not only being rude but also inaccurate in most every word that was coming out of his mouth. The guy was just foul beyond words, even for him, and Liddy eventually hung up on him.

Several callers later someone decided to defend that caller and it went something like this:

Defender: "Who do you think you are telling people they're stupid and ignorant just because they can't spell something. That's just wrong, man, it really is."

Liddy: "Well, seeing as that's how I learned how to read and write, I'm not wrong, he was. And so are you. <click>"

Laughed for about 5 minutes over that one. And it does make sense overall:

The Internet and computers have not done much to enhance people's abilities, really. If anything, they've made things a lot fucking worse - and my example text above with Bubba is a perfect example.

When I first started chatting with people "online" way back in 1978 at a hella fast 50 baud people used capital letters, they used proper punctuation, grammar, they could spell words (that's when real dictionaries on a desktop meant a book and not a piece of software onscreen).

Nowadays, as I'm on IRC and various other forms of communication: forums, emails, IMs, etc. it really sucks to have to waste brain resources to comprehend what the fuck g00ber there was trying to say when he not only misspelled several words but lacked the comprehension to form a complete sentence in the first place.

If I'm a spelling and grammar Nazi, so be it. I'm old school, as I stated before, and I think since I learned stuff that way, other people should too. If all we have to communicate are the words we use as our language, you better find some way to do it right the first time or else someone else is going to think you're... well... an idiot, as you so eloquently put it in the quote above. :)