Please help Brother with Vista64 and DRM issues

[Zorachus]

Brother is really upset with Vista64 with the digital rights protection need a license to play any songs ? Allot of bullsh!t questions pop when doing anything under Visat64-Ultimate, and all this DRM crap, plus the stories of iTunes not working right under Vista64 and hooking up your iPod can get corrupted ? He is hooking up his other harddrive and it is giving him alot of issues transfering them ?

My Brother will create an account and reply to this thread, please help him out with any questions :)

Thank's

His new system spec's

Asus AN8 Premium
Athlon64 X2-4400+
2gb DDR400
eVga 8800GTS
75gb Raptor
X-Fi eXtreme Music

[markt435]

uh...you're not givin the details of the files though. What are they? Are they iTunes store bought? If he needs info about the problem with iTunes he needs to go look at apples site.

[Danny Bui]

You might want to read this:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305042

[Zorachus]

I agree with the "Windows needs a digitally signed driver" bullsh!t......I just tried installing a CPU temp utility that was made for Vista, go to install it and an error comes up saying I need the Digital signed driver :rolleyes:

Is there a way to disable that and force an install ?

[djnes]

I believe there is a way, but if you wanted to disable this, why did you switch to Vista 64? Aside from utilizing 4 GB of memory, the only other reason why anyone would consider Vista 64 is the increased security. It sounds to me like you bought a Ferrari, and you want to pull it's engine in favor of a Toyota one. Why go through the trouble and the cost of upgrading, just to have the features of Vista 32?

[bbz_Ghost]

Wow... man... yet another thread of... <I promise I won't use those three letters, I promise>

Vista does not require "Digital Rights Management" just to play a song, that's patently ridiculous. If you're trying to play an encrypted song purchased from some online media service, then yes, it would be required.

The same holds true for trying to play that song on any OS on the market today by using whatever software the online media service offers when you sign up (iTunes, for example, and playing back purchased iTunes media files).

Don't lay the blame on Vista for something that more than likely isn't Vista's fault. As others said, you definitely need to provide a LOT more info than what's already posted, it just ain't enough to work with.

And for the driver issues, you're basically on your own there, but here's the standard answer I've created:

In Vista 64 bit editions, you can't run or use unsigned drivers by default. To get around that on a boot-by-boot basis, use F8 at boot and choose to run-install unsigned drivers. To make it permanent, open an Admin Command Prompt and do this command:

bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS (press Enter)

Don't modify the command, it must be EXACTLY like that with the double-D.

Good luck...

[LstOfTheBrunnenG]

I'm glad Vista's DRM protects me from myself.

[Zorachus]

Wow... man... yet another thread of... <I promise I won't use those three letters, I promise>

Vista does not require "Digital Rights Management" just to play a song, that's patently ridiculous. If you're trying to play an encrypted song purchased from some online media service, then yes, it would be required.

The same holds true for trying to play that song on any OS on the market today by using whatever software the online media service offers when you sign up (iTunes, for example, and playing back purchased iTunes media files).

Don't lay the blame on Vista for something that more than likely isn't Vista's fault. As others said, you definitely need to provide a LOT more info than what's already posted, it just ain't enough to work with.

And for the driver issues, you're basically on your own there, but here's the standard answer I've created:

In Vista 64 bit editions, you can't run or use unsigned drivers by default. To get around that on a boot-by-boot basis, use F8 at boot and choose to run-install unsigned drivers. To make it permanent, open an Admin Command Prompt and do this command:

bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS (press Enter)

Don't modify the command, it must be EXACTLY like that with the double-D.

Good luck...

My Brother is transferring his music from his second harddrive that is on WinXP, and now moving it over to Vista64-Ultimate, he says every song asks for the DRM, but he paid for 100% every somg legally, no stealing, most are from iTunes and some others from actual companies like Atlantic etc...

Also he is not happy with the performance in general of Vista64-Ultimate, saying it seems to be a system hog ? But his spec's should be more than enough to handle it ? I think the better computers actually run smoother under Vista compared to the same system with WinXP, but he disagrees ?

[Catweazle]

My Brother is transferring his music from his second harddrive that is on WinXP, and now moving it over to Vista64-Ultimate, he says every song asks for the DRM, but he paid for 100% every somg legally, no stealing, most are from iTunes and some others from actual companies like Atlantic etc...

Your brother's problem is that he's getting music from iTunes, which means that it isn't unprotected music. If he was obtaining unprotected music he wouldn't be having the problems. It's no a Vista issue - it's an iTunes issue.

To transfer the iTunes music, as far as I'm aware, it'll have to be downloaded again. I don't use the service, but I believe there is provision for people to obtain their legitimate music again when there's a hard drive (or Operating System) replacement occurring.

[digital_exhaust]

he is not happy with the performance in general of Vista64-Ultimate, saying it seems to be a system hog

You really need to have your brother create an account here and let him discuss these issues .. and honestly it seems to me that his dis-satifaction with Vista may be related to his dis-satisfaction with his computer in general. I am, of course assuming (sorry:rolleyes: ) that this Vista install is on the same machine you built for him that you were asking about in your thread in General Hardware....

And alot of these problems could have been avoided if a little prep work had been done before switching over to Vista, perhaps moving his music to a seperate partiton on a storage drive that then could have been installed in his Vista build...and so on.....I honestly cannot understand why he would want his music files on the same partition/disk as Vista... but that's just me.

[Zorachus]

You really need to have your brother create an account here and let him discuss these issues .. and honestly it seems to me that his dis-satifaction with Vista may be related to his dis-satisfaction with his computer in general. I am, of course assuming (sorry:rolleyes: ) that this Vista install is on the same machine you built for him that you were asking about in your thread in General Hardware....

And alot of these problems could have been avoided if a little prep work had been done before switching over to Vista, perhaps moving his music to a seperate partiton on a storage drive that then could have been installed in his Vista build...and so on.....I honestly cannot understand why he would want his music files on the same partition/disk as Vista... but that's just me.


I built his system with all new parts, and the harddrive has a fresh Vista64-Ultimate install :)......He was adding his second harddrive that was used in WinXP, and took that drive out of his old computer and installed it into the new, and that is where his problems came up ? He said transferring the files/music always asked for DRM, and was killing him ?

Curious as to why he is complaining Vista64-Ultimate feels slow or a system hog, where my new build of 10 days old Vista64 works smooth as butter and I lOVE it the most out of Win2k or WinXP. Our system's are not that much different ? My cpu is only 20% faster, my memory is Corsair XMS Platinum series he has generic memory, my harddrive is the newer RaptorX 150gb he has an older Raptor, my VideoCard is 25% faster......But are parts at most combined are like 20% different in speed, is that enough to notice a choppy Vista64 ?

[digital_exhaust]

To transfer the iTunes music, as far as I'm aware, it'll have to be downloaded again. I don't use the service, but I believe there is provision for people to obtain their legitimate music again when there's a hard drive (or Operating System) replacement occurring.

No, you just have to authorize the computer you want to use the files on. You can have up to five computers authorized, or "seated" at once. If you have five seated, and you want to use the files on another computer, you need to de-authorize one of the other machines, and your good to go.

I have been using iTunes since the early beta builds, and am currently having absolutely zero issues with iTunes and Vista HP 32bit... so I don't know... maybe it's a 64bit problem.

[bbz_Ghost]

Do us and the rest of the people here a big huge favor:

STOP SAYING DRM IN YOUR POSTS.

You're just making it worse because as has already been stated: if the songs he's trying to move or use were purchased with iTunes, only iTunes can play the files, period. Only iTunes can be set up to playback the content purchased from iTunes... so please...

STOP SAYING DRM IN YOUR POSTS.

It has nothing to do with this, at all, in any way, presently. Vista has nothing to do with that, at all, in any way, presently. So stop saying that.

If he can't get iTunes working under Vista Ultimate 64, send emails to Apple and bitch about it, but it's not Vista's fault.

[Zorachus]

Do us and the rest of the people here a big huge favor:

STOP SAYING DRM IN YOUR POSTS.

You're just making it worse because as has already been stated: if the songs he's trying to move or use were purchased with iTunes, only iTunes can play the files, period. Only iTunes can be set up to playback the content purchased from iTunes... so please...

STOP SAYING DRM IN YOUR POSTS.

It has nothing to do with this, at all, in any way, presently. Vista has nothing to do with that, at all, in any way, presently. So stop saying that.

If he can't get iTunes working under Vista Ultimate 64, send emails to Apple and bitch about it, but it's not Vista's fault.

I setup this new system and iTunes worked fine when I first installed it, as well as my computer too no problems......He never said iTunes stopped working ?

[Danny Bui]

Did you not read the link I posted? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305042

[Digital Cro-Magnon]

You're just making it worse because as has already been stated: if the songs he's trying to move or use were purchased with iTunes, only iTunes can play the files, period. Only iTunes can be set up to playback the content purchased from iTunes... so please...

STOP SAYING DRM IN YOUR POSTS.

FYI, Apple's ITunes does use DRM, it is called FairPlay, on its songs that you purchase from the online store. Although, it is correct that there are know issues with ITunes software running on Vista and the problems with the songs have more to do with Apples DRM than anything else.

I do believe a patch will be out for ITunes soon.

[bbz_Ghost]

FYI, Apple's ITunes does use DRM, it is called FairPlay, on its songs that you purchase from the online store. Although, it is correct that there are know issues with ITunes software running on Vista and the problems with the songs have more to do with Apples DRM than anything else.

I do believe a patch will be out for ITunes soon.

Yah, I know this, we all know this, hence my saying you need to use iTunes to play back music purchased with iTunes.

My point is and always shall be: People are throwing out "DRM is giving me shits!" and statements of such nature that simply don't have anything to do with Vista and upon first sighting people will think "There's that damned DRM in Vista fucking someone else over again."

So, unless someone has a specific situation where a real problem is occuring or can be absolutely 100% certainly most definitely tied directly to the DRM in Vista (a rare thing if ever there was one) I suggest people stop saying "Vista" and "DRM" in the same thread postings or thread topics.

It's a light example of +++++++++ and most all of us know it, like a cheap lawyer tactic saying something in a courtroom when a judge specifically prohibited it - the judge will be pissed, the lawyer will probably get away with it, but the information he spoke still reached the juror's ears and will taint them, regardless.

Everytime I see DRM in a topic or a post I just think "Boy, here we go again" because it's the same old song... (no pun intended)

:D