1TB drive by Hitachi will be available very, very soon... cheap, too :D

[RavinDJ]

1TB drive by Hitachi will be available very, very soon... cheap, too :D

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070105/20070104006138.html?.v=1

$399 is a really, really good price... IMHO :p

[drizzt81]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.

[gjvrieze]

very cool, nice price, some of these is in raid 5 will be great:-)

[Nacho]

As the capacity of drives go up, so does the amount of media it takes to back them up. Loosing 1 TB of data is far from something you want to happen.

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so.

[drizzt81]

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so.
Yes, we are far from the point where we have 'enough' storage.

[Guyver03]

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so.

Well..you never know. I remember when I got my first true "Top Of The Line PC" with a blazing fast 300mhz Pentium II. I ordered it with a 5 GB HDD. To this day I still have to hear how I said, "5 GB! How am I ever going to fill that up?" :p

[MrMike]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.

I feel the same way here. Great accomplishment by Hitachi, but I'll never touch it with a 10 foot pole.

As the capacity of drives go up, so does the amount of media it takes to back them up. Loosing 1 TB of data is far from something you want to happen.

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so.

I don't think people really need to back up their porn and TV shows. The world won't come to an end if it's lost. :p

[Ockie]

30 of these in my beast would really be nice, lol.

[marcusj3000]

a 1 terabyte beast well it's about time.

[mobiux]

As the capacity of drives go up, so does the amount of media it takes to back them up. Loosing 1 TB of data is far from something you want to happen.


This is the problem i am having with my current music collection. I have like 340 GB of music, but no way to back it up.
I am considering ripping all my dvd's to HD and setting up a HTPC, but if i lost a drive with 3 months of encoding on it, i would be PISSED.

[jmroberts70]

Hell, larger single drives makes backups MUCH easier. The larger the single drive, the more I can hold on my external enclosure for backing up my main system. I am running a 0.5TB single drive backup right now and am running out of room. This might be just what the doctor ordered!

[acascianelli]

I'd love to have 2 for RAID 0. At the rate that these drives are growing I might just end up having something bigger than 1TB in my next system.

60mb (User Doublespace to get 120mb)
600mb
1.2gb
10gb
60gb
2x160gb (RAID 0)

...That is my history of harddrives in computer I've had.

[beowulf7]

Here's another article. (http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196801352)

Hitachi spins terabyte drive

Rick Merritt
EE Times
(01/05/2007 10:20 AM EST)

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Hitachi Global Storage Technologies announced its first terabyte drive on Friday (Jan. 5).

Hitachi's achievement of packing a terabyte in a 3.5-inch hard drive is part of the industry's broader shift to perpendicular from longitudinal recording. That generational change is proceeding well for most players, with market leader Seagate Technology well ahead of the pack and expected to leapfrog Hitachi's announcement soon.

Hitachi's terabyte drives are the company's first 3.5-inch drives to use perpendicular recording. It initially applied the new recording technique to the 2.5-inch notebook drives that are its bread and butter.

The company will ship a retail model of the terabyte drive for $399 before April. Still in testing are a consumer version for digital video recorders (DVRs) and an enterprise version for storage arrays that use most of today's high-capacity drives. Both are set to ship by June.

"There's a broad reach for this product," said Doug Pickford, director market and product strategy at Hitachi GST, based here.

While Hitachi claims a lead in hitting the terabyte milestone, its dirty little secret is it is using five platters. Hitachi also used five platters in the first rev of its previous high-end drive, a 500-Gbyte model. Hitachi later shrunk the 500 Gbyte drive to just three platters.

[Nacho]

Seagate also released thier 1TB drives also (cant find article off the top of head). Competitive pricing, woots.

[Paul_Johnson]

Well..you never know. I remember when I got my first true "Top Of The Line PC" with a blazing fast 300mhz Pentium II. I ordered it with a 5 GB HDD. To this day I still have to hear how I said, "5 GB! How am I ever going to fill that up?" :p

I said that about a 20 Megabyte drive...and was wrong within a year (first harddrive I ever filled up). Woohoo Pebble Beach Golf!

[protias]

I remember when I ordered my first drive (WD 40GB), I thought that was a lot.

....Now I have 2.5 TB and don't think that is all that much :eek: :(

[ChingChang]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.
The best part is that Seagate now as some competition :D Hopefully we'll see their prices drop a bit on the 750GB drive and their new 1TB drive!

[arock1_3]

Seagate also released thier 1TB drives also (cant find article off the top of head). Competitive pricing, woots.

Here is an article about Seagate and the 1TB. Is from August '06 but it talks about it.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6105515.html

[ChingChang]

there's an article on Seagate's from I think yesterday going into more detail.. don't have link!

[arock1_3]

there's an article on Seagate's from I think yesterday going into more detail.. don't have link!

Is it maybe this one.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5582

[beowulf7]

I said that about a 20 Megabyte drive...and was wrong within a year (first harddrive I ever filled up). Woohoo Pebble Beach Golf!

Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM. (http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Humorix_Misc/257.html)

[ChingChang]

check this out... Seagate's current favicon is Sun Microsystems' logo :]


http://www.systekonline.com/upload/files/2/random%20crap/sungate.jpg

http://www.seagate.com/
http://www.sun.com/


BTW Sun's logo is ultimate if you didn't already know.

[unhappy_mage]

Hah, so it is (http://www.seagate.com/favicon.ico). I wonder if that's intentional.

[beowulf7]

How does one create a favicon.ico file? Say I have a JPG or (unanimated) GIF that I want to use as that Web browser. How to create the favicon.ico file? I'll try Google researching this as well.

Edit: Google gave me this (http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/favicon.shtml) as my first hit. It needs to be a 16x16 file, apparently. I can use IrfanView to save my JPG as an ICO file. :cool:

[Paul_Johnson]

Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM. (http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Humorix_Misc/257.html)

Why won't this die?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/gatesivu.htm

[beowulf7]

Why won't this die?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/gatesivu.htm

Bill Gates could be refuting that quote now to not make him look so foolish (knowing that probably no one recorded him saying that back then). I saw this quote in a textbook, too, while in college, not that a textbook is always correct.

[Paul_Johnson]

Bill Gates could be refuting that quote now to not make him look so foolish (knowing that probably no one recorded him saying that back then). I saw this quote in a textbook, too, while in college, not that a textbook is always correct.

Ok. Simple enough then provide the original citation where he said it.

[beowulf7]

Ok. Simple enough then provide the original citation where he said it.

Oh crap, I have scores of textbooks in my bookcases, many of them computer related. I'll try to find it. But it will take me some time, b/c even if I find the right textbook, I have to find what page it was quoted at. BTW, your request is fair and reasonable.

[Paul_Johnson]

Oh crap, I have scores of textbooks in my bookcases, many of them computer related. I'll try to find it. But it will take me some time, b/c even if I find the right textbook, I have to find what page it was quoted at. BTW, your request is fair and reasonable.

Well good luck with the text books....however a textbook isn't an original citation/primary source. I would be interested though if they do cite their source though because he has been asked about the quote a number of times the earliest I can find of an original interview about the question was in the mid 1990's and to date noone to my knowledge has been able to pin down an original source.

[eth00]

I want to see the reliabilty on these new drives. I had a client purchase 15 of the 750Gb drives and in 6 months has had 3 die - not really impressive at all. These were even being run in hotswap chassis inside of a cooled datacenter so their death had nothing to do with overheating.

[hardwarephreak]

Getting two of these to run as a mirror, as a backup for my existing RAID 5 array would be nice. I already have a client wanting several systems with 12 of these...they want Seagate, but their time frame may not permit, and these Hitacih's showed up just in time. I am wondering about performance, because the disk I/O is going to be the focal point of these systems.

I want to see the reliabilty on these new drives. I had a client purchase 15 of the 750Gb drives and in 6 months has had 3 die - not really impressive at all. These were even being run in hotswap chassis inside of a cooled datacenter so their death had nothing to do with overheating.

Curious, were these ES (enterprise) drives?

[bob]

About that 640KB quote... Regardless if bill said it or not, at one point in time im sure someone has said it. Up untill about a month ago, I was using a 1988 Zenith supersport laptop for school. Didnt use it online much anymore, since its a real pain in the ass using dialup with a 2400bps modem. Though, its pretty damn easy to back up a half-full 21MB hard drive...anyways....

Getting two of these to run as a mirror, as a backup for my existing RAID 5 array would be nice.

Woah woah... I cant beleive you just said that...

Back-up for your RAID 5 array? Ive always been taught to never, ever back up files onto hard drives, if you want to keep those files. Or do you mean backup, as in-case of magic smoke? Backing up a RAID-5 array to a hitachi 1TB drive... :eek:.

Either way, I hope hitachi includes a couponf for one of those 500GB/1300GB sony tape drives with a hard-drive purchase... If I manage to fill that 1TB drive, its going to be full of something. Doesnt matter if its full of porn, screenshots, PDFs, or music... I want that crap backed up.

[hardwarephreak]

About that 640KB quote... Regardless if bill said it or not, at one point in time im sure someone has said it. Up untill about a month ago, I was using a 1988 Zenith supersport laptop for school. Didnt use it online much anymore, since its a real pain in the ass using dialup with a 2400bps modem. Though, its pretty damn easy to back up a half-full 21MB hard drive...anyways....



Woah woah... I cant beleive you just said that...

Back-up for your RAID 5 array? Ive always been taught to never, ever back up files onto hard drives, if you want to keep those files. Or do you mean backup, as in-case of magic smoke? Backing up a RAID-5 array to a hitachi 1TB drive... :eek:.

Either way, I hope hitachi includes a couponf for one of those 500GB/1300GB sony tape drives with a hard-drive purchase... If I manage to fill that 1TB drive, its going to be full of something. Doesnt matter if its full of porn, screenshots, PDFs, or music... I want that crap backed up.


Heh heh, almost...I have a nice new AIT 5 drive that Sony has been kind enough to provide that is doing backups that I put into my safe...its just personal server @ home with audio and video stuffs. But there is no such thing as too much redundancy (as much as you can afford or are willing to spend), and restoring from a 1TB drive directly connected vs. restoring off of a tape is going to be much, much, much faster. Did I say it was going to be faster:D Plus I have 8 SATA ports just sitting unused at the moment.

I don't trust RAID arrays...never have never will. But at that price it's almost too good to pass up as a cheap way to add another layer of redundancy.

As to Hitachi failure rates...I haven't seen another deathstar fiasco since they have gone from IBM to Hitachi. I have however, had failures across the board, from multiple manufacturers. WD, Maxtor, Seagate, Samsung, and Hitachi...and to be honest, the only drives that I have yet to really have a problem with have been the Fujis. It happens, that's why you put together arrays of hard drives..........because.........they........fail. Doesn't matter who you buy, eventually you have a failure.

[beowulf7]

Well good luck with the text books....however a textbook isn't an original citation/primary source. I would be interested though if they do cite their source though because he has been asked about the quote a number of times the earliest I can find of an original interview about the question was in the mid 1990's and to date noone to my knowledge has been able to pin down an original source.

True, the textbook isn't the authoritative source. But I know that's where I first learned about the alleged Bill Gates quote. I checked snopes.com for more help on that quote but a quick search of "bill gates ram" on their site turned up nothing.

Anyway, getting back to hard drives, I bought a 300 GB HDD last year and thought it would last me about 2 years. Well, about 1 year later, it's full. Much of the stuff were ripped DVDs I was lazy about encoding and backing up onto DVD-Rs, but still, it shows that hard drive space goes quick. So later this year, I'll look for a reliable high-capacity hard drive (probably 750 GB unless the 1 TB HDDs are well tested and deemed as reliable as the others).

[beowulf7]

I want to see the reliabilty on these new drives. I had a client purchase 15 of the 750Gb drives and in 6 months has had 3 die - not really impressive at all. These were even being run in hotswap chassis inside of a cooled datacenter so their death had nothing to do with overheating.

Just curious ... which brand of hard drives did your client purchase?

[Manny Calavera]

Just curious ... which brand of hard drives did your client purchase?


Must have been Seagate.... :)

[beowulf7]

Must have been Seagate.... :)

Nah, I bet it was a Western Digital. :p

[ChingChang]

what's the difference between Seagate's ES drives anyway.. other than the price...

[lixuelai]

Lol reminds of me the IBM Deathstars. When I got one it was like HUGE in capacity as well...

[v1p3r]

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so.

What about 1080p video? I need somewhere to put my theoretical decrypted HDDVDs ;)

[drizzt81]

Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM. (http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Humorix_Misc/257.html)A perfectly acceptable engineering trade-off. I do not understand the problem.

I want to see the reliabilty on these new drives. I had a client purchase 15 of the 750Gb drives and in 6 months has had 3 die - not really impressive at all. These were even being run in hotswap chassis inside of a cooled datacenter so their death had nothing to do with overheating.

May I ask where you or your client bought the drives from and how they were packaged? What type of PSU was used? Three failures in such a short timespan would lead me to believe that there was a systemic problem somewhere, since I cannot see Seagate making a profit when they have to replace 1/5 of their drives every 6 months.

[Spazilton]

Well..you never know. I remember when I got my first true "Top Of The Line PC" with a blazing fast 300mhz Pentium II. I ordered it with a 5 GB HDD. To this day I still have to hear how I said, "5 GB! How am I ever going to fill that up?" :p

My father and I said the same exact thing in 1991, when we bought a Tandy 2500, 386 SX 25, 1MB Ram, and a whopping 80 MB HDD. We asked how in the world were we ever going to fill that up.

6 Months later we bought a 400 MB HDD, You can always use more storage space.

[RAA-Kr1cH]

I was in highschool when the first 1gb hdds came out. Those were huge but expensive. If I remember correctly, it was almost $1,000 a gig.

[amdfan25]

Competition = Good for us consumers

1 TB = More storage as I can never seem to have enough HDD space. :D

[Monkey_feces]

A 1tb HD would be excellent for (starts with a w and ends with a z)! On the other hand, wouldn't scanning a system with more than one TB for viruses be a bitch?

[beowulf7]

Out of curiosity, what is currently the largest capacity 2.5" laptop hard drive?

[protias]

Out of curiosity, what is currently the largest capacity 2.5" laptop hard drive?

200GB Toshiba MK2035GSS, although, its 4200rpm. Next biggest is 160GB (5400rpm).

[U HAX0R]

Damn I can't wait till those come out ... I'm running out of space really fast ... I have the habit of never deleting anything ... I just keep adding hard drives ... LOL

[beowulf7]

200GB Toshiba MK2035GSS, although, its 4200rpm. Next biggest is 160GB (5400rpm).

Thanks. So laptops HDDs don't even come close to desktop HDDs, at least in terms of capacity (not to mention performance).

[protias]

Thanks. So laptops HDDs don't even come close to desktop HDDs, at least in terms of capacity (not to mention performance).

Nope. The reason the performance isn't there is because of battery life. They want to make the battery last as long as possilbe. Once you go from 5400rpm to 7200rpm (assume the rest of specs are the same), will drop battery life from 30 minutes to 1 hour less. They have less storage because they have smaller disks (2.5" vs a desktops 3.5").

[beowulf7]

Nope. The reason the performance isn't there is because of battery life. They want to make the battery last as long as possilbe. Once you go from 5400rpm to 7200rpm (assume the rest of specs are the same), will drop battery life from 30 minutes to 1 hour less. They have less storage because they have smaller disks (2.5" vs a desktops 3.5").

They should make adaptable spinning hard drives (like laptop CPUs have), so that if it's plugged in, it spins at the full rate. And if it's not plugged in, then the user can select whether to have "speed step" kick in or not.

About HDDs, yes, there's a size diff. between 2.5" and 3.5" of course. But yet capacity is 5 times the difference (200 GB for laptops vs. 1 TB for PCs - or we can even use 750 GB for now since 1 TB HDDs aren't out yet (then a 3.75:1 ratio).

[tacticus]

They should make adaptable spinning hard drives (like laptop CPUs have), so that if it's plugged in, it spins at the full rate. And if it's not plugged in, then the user can select whether to have "speed step" kick in or not.

About HDDs, yes, there's a size diff. between 2.5" and 3.5" of course. But yet capacity is 5 times the difference (200 GB for laptops vs. 1 TB for PCs - or we can even use 750 GB for now since 1 TB HDDs aren't out yet (then a 3.75:1 ratio).

laptops drives are smaller in 3 dimensions

your standard 3.5" drive is also quite a bit thicker and longer than a laptop drive

now if i could find my paperweights i would tell you the difference

[drizzt81]

laptops drives are smaller in 3 dimensions
I believe that it is possible to fit 4 2.5" HDDs in a hot-swap cage in a single 5.25" slot.

[tacticus]

I believe that it is possible to fit 4 2.5" HDDs in a hot-swap cage in a single 5.25" slot.

O.O i want one or 12 plus some nice sas drives

[protias]

I believe that it is possible to fit 4 2.5" HDDs in a hot-swap cage in a single 5.25" slot.

Drizz, that's too tempting not to buy, so don't post links ;)

[drizzt81]

Drizz, that's too tempting not to buy, so don't post links ;)

I would never want to tempt you (http://www.servercase.com/miva/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SC&Product_Code=GHK-425&Category_Code=SATA)

[protias]

I would never want to tempt you (http://www.servercase.com/miva/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SC&Product_Code=GHK-425&Category_Code=SATA)

You = bastard :D

Both you and u_m link nice stuff. Make me want to spend more money than I have. Its a good thing I have some fiscal responsibility and do not spend more than I have. But I'll keep this in mind for the future...bastard! lol

[protias]

double post

[Ockie]

I would never want to tempt you (http://www.servercase.com/miva/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SC&Product_Code=GHK-425&Category_Code=SATA)

Me neither (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?&USER_ID=www&cart_id=816345_12_47_224_7&Item_code=MBAC_SUPE_MC_06)
.....


It's just not a nice thing to do... (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?&USER_ID=www&cart_id=814514_12_47_224_7&Item_code=MBAC_SUPE_DB_04)

[drizzt81]

It's just not a nice thing to do... (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?&USER_ID=www&cart_id=814514_12_47_224_7&Item_code=MBAC_SUPE_DB_04)

I think I am in love.

[fibroptikl]

I should build a "1" system.

1GHz P3 CPU / 1GB DDR / 1TB Drive

[protias]

Me neither (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?&USER_ID=www&cart_id=816345_12_47_224_7&Item_code=MBAC_SUPE_MC_06)
.....


It's just not a nice thing to do... (http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?&USER_ID=www&cart_id=814514_12_47_224_7&Item_code=MBAC_SUPE_DB_04)

You suck too Ockie. I'm trying to save my money, but when you put [H]ot stuff like this out there....man, I want it. That tears it, I'm stealing Galaxy 4.0! lol

[unhappy_mage]

I should build a "1" system.

1GHz P3 CPU / 1GB DDR / 1TB Drive

My brother built a "2" system, more or less. Now we need a "10" system - only 150 gigs free on that 2TB volume.:o

[Scotch77]

There drives have 5 platters, last time this was done we had real bad news on the deathstars.

[beowulf7]

laptops drives are smaller in 3 dimensions

your standard 3.5" drive is also quite a bit thicker and longer than a laptop drive

now if i could find my paperweights i would tell you the difference

You're right, but if you want to play the sizing game, then flash drives kick laptop hard drives' ass. Heck, aren't flash drives now up to 16 or 32 GB in capacity? Also, they're much smaller than a 2.5" laptop hard drive. In fact, I read that this year, laptops will be coming out that have a hybrid disk capacity - flash drive to boot the OS, run apps, and a hard drive for file storage.

[beowulf7]

I should build a "1" system.

1GHz P3 CPU / 1GB DDR / 1TB Drive

And only 1 optical drive (DVD +/- RW). Also, just 1 video card, so no SLI'ing for you! :p

[nekrosoft13]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.

that was from different company, nothing of IBM designed stayed.

hitachi are very good drives now

[Hvatum]

Finally, a single drive with a respectable amount of space. I mean, what the hell are you supposed to store on a .5TB drive? That's just sad.

Especially these days when people are putting together huge RAIDs composed of many drives. Much better to have a few of these 1TB drives, then you can get a decent amount of space put together without too much hassel. It's pretty hard to maintain a decent music and movie collection with less then a TB as your base drive, especially once you get games and OS installed.

[beowulf7]

It was introduced at this week's CES: HItachi Deskstar 7K1000 (http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.8027a91c954924ae4bda9f30eac4f0a0/) 1 TB HDD. That link is to Hitachi's Web page for this product.

[protias]

Finally, a single drive with a respectable amount of space. I mean, what the hell are you supposed to store on a .5TB drive? That's just sad.

Especially these days when people are putting together huge RAIDs composed of many drives. Much better to have a few of these 1TB drives, then you can get a decent amount of space put together without too much hassel. It's pretty hard to maintain a decent music and movie collection with less then a TB as your base drive, especially once you get games and OS installed.

I would never run RAID 5 on a gaming machine. Seperate box FTW

[drizzt81]

Nope. The reason the performance isn't there is because of battery life. They want to make the battery last as long as possilbe. Once you go from 5400rpm to 7200rpm (assume the rest of specs are the same), will drop battery life from 30 minutes to 1 hour less. They have less storage because they have smaller disks (2.5" vs a desktops 3.5").

I think you will find (http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200511/notebook_7.html) that SR's test does not support your theory.

[sphinx99]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.

Me too. My deathstar wounds still haven't healed... three out of three 75GXP failures. I know Hitachi is a different company, however the IBM incident did do one good thing: clued me into the fact that there are a lot of very nice Seagate and WD drives out there too.

[TheBluePill]

I don't know about you folks, but I am most excited about the Price. Hitachi has stated that Retail will be $399, but Bare Drives will be $349, Right from the Start. That means that we will probably be able to get them at $299 within a month or two.

That is 1tb of Fully Mirrored space for $600. That is FANTASTIC! Almost every single motherboard made in the last 3 years has RAID 1 on it...

[Ockie]

I don't know about you folks, but I am most excited about the Price. Hitachi has stated that Retail will be $399, but Bare Drives will be $349, Right from the Start. That means that we will probably be able to get them at $299 within a month or two.

That is 1tb of Fully Mirrored space for $600. That is FANTASTIC! Almost every single motherboard made in the last 3 years has RAID 1 on it...


At 349 it would be a downright bargain, I would endulge myself with a few of them :)

[protias]

At 349 it would be a downright bargain, I would endulge myself with a few of them :)

Damn straight you would....and then you'd get rid of those crappy 750giggers :p

[beowulf7]

I might jump in once it hits the 25 cents per GB level (i.e. $250). Is that a realistic expectation by summertime?

[ChingChang]

I don't know about you folks, but I am most excited about the Price. Hitachi has stated that Retail will be $399, but Bare Drives will be $349, Right from the Start. That means that we will probably be able to get them at $299 within a month or two.

That is 1tb of Fully Mirrored space for $600. That is FANTASTIC! Almost every single motherboard made in the last 3 years has RAID 1 on it...

I'm mostly excited about their prices and availability affecting Seagate's prices (and the release of their 1TB drive). I'm not going to get a Hitachi drive.

(I'm a Seagate !!!!!! :p)

[general]

"As the capacity of drives go up, so does the amount of media it takes to back them up. Loosing 1 TB of data is far from something you want to happen.

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so."

Fewer drives mean fewer drive failures. It also means more storage in the same footprint. Some applications require large amounts of storage. Even in the desktop space, digital cameras and HD video cameras require large amounts of storage. Any grandma can saturate a 4Gb memory card at high settings over the holidays. Add to that home movies and you can see why this, even in an home machine, would be good.

Think of someone who needs a 6TB storage environment. They can have 8 of these in one server, one drive for parity and one spare and they don't need two servers.

[TheBluePill]

"As the capacity of drives go up, so does the amount of media it takes to back them up. Loosing 1 TB of data is far from something you want to happen.

Will there really be a point to have more than 1TB per drive? I dont think so."

Fewer drives mean fewer drive failures. It also means more storage in the same footprint. Some applications require large amounts of storage. Even in the desktop space, digital cameras and HD video cameras require large amounts of storage. Any grandma can saturate a 4Gb memory card at high settings over the holidays. Add to that home movies and you can see why this, even in an home machine, would be good.

Think of someone who needs a 6TB storage environment. They can have 8 of these in one server, one drive for parity and one spare and they don't need two servers.

Backup Technology Is constantly improving as well. For those of use with server or multi desktop servers at home, backup to RAID or backup to a 2nd Disc is the most economical by a long shot. It would take 5 Full Spindles of DVD-Rs to back up a single 1tb Drive. Assuming a 6 Minute burn time, it would take 58 Hours straight to back one up.

So DVD is out of the question. Blu-Ray and HD Dvd is far to pricey and still inadequate for backups.

That leaves tape, and again, is far too expensive for most people, starting at about $800 for a single drive and some tapes...

Backup to Disk is the only way to fly for those on a Budget.

Now, If you have $2.5K+ to Spend on data storage and retention, Buy 3 of these for a RAID 5 and put a LTO Drive in there and buy a case of tapes.

[beowulf7]

Backup Technology Is constantly improving as well. For those of use with server or multi desktop servers at home, backup to RAID or backup to a 2nd Disc is the most economical by a long shot. It would take 5 Full Spindles of DVD-Rs to back up a single 1tb Drive. Assuming a 6 Minute burn time, it would take 58 Hours straight to back one up.

So DVD is out of the question. Blu-Ray and HD Dvd is far to pricey and still inadequate for backups.

That leaves tape, and again, is far too expensive for most people, starting at about $800 for a single drive and some tapes...

Backup to Disk is the only way to fly for those on a Budget.

Now, If you have $2.5K+ to Spend on data storage and retention, Buy 3 of these for a RAID 5 and put a LTO Drive in there and buy a case of tapes.

The most practical backup solution would be to clone the 1 TB HDD to another 1 TB HDD. Then to be safe, physically take out the cloned HDD and put it in a safe deposit box or somewhere where it's very unlikely to get stolen, burned, flooded, etc.

[general]

I'd put it somewhere far away like downtown New Orleans so you could be sure that your disaster radius was safe.

The price is not that bad considering that it will be brand new technology, larger than anything else on the market and a .5TB drive is now $150. I can remember buying a 120GB drive for a desktop and it was 299 at the time and not exactly the best out there.

[beowulf7]

I'd put it somewhere far away like downtown New Orleans so you could be sure that your disaster radius was safe.

The price is not that bad considering that it will be brand new technology, larger than anything else on the market and a .5TB drive is now $150. I can remember buying a 120GB drive for a desktop and it was 299 at the time and not exactly the best out there.

A top-of-the-line Seagate 500 GB is currently selling (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=421410) for $140. (Here's (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1143118) a [H] link.)

There are 750 GB HDDs available.

But yes, for a new capacity, the price point of the 1 TB is impressive. I just want to wait until it falls to the $250 level, which it should by the end of the year.

[TheBluePill]

A top-of-the-line Seagate 500 GB is currently selling (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=421410) for $140. (Here's (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1143118) a [H] link.)

There are 750 GB HDDs available.

But yes, for a new capacity, the price point of the 1 TB is impressive. I just want to wait until it falls to the $250 level, which it should by the end of the year.

I Wonder if they have hit a plateu a 1TB. 5, 200gb Platters is quite a feat in my mind.

[- NintendoFan -]

I Wonder if they have hit a plateu a 1TB. 5, 200gb Platters is quite a feat in my mind.

Well, according to Seagate, their drive will only have 4 platters. Seems even more of a feat.

[draksia]

There drives have 5 platters, last time this was done we had real bad news on the deathstars.



Actaully the current 500gb Hitachi's and the older 400gb models all had 5 platters. The problems with the IBM drives are the results of firmware causing the heads to crash the platters and evetually it wears off all the magneoresistive coating.

[LightningCrash]

Actaully the current 500gb Hitachi's and the older 400gb models all had 5 platters. The problems with the IBM drives are the results of firmware causing the heads to crash the platters and evetually it wears off all the magneoresistive coating.

I thought It had more to do with a specific chip on the PCB that basically cooked over time. In my case, swapping out the PCBs on my 75GXPs allowed me to retrieve my data.

[TheBluePill]

IBM Has had many Multi-Platter Drives that worked just fine, like this 1956 IBM 305, 5MB hard Drive;

http://static.flickr.com/127/319430827_8cdecc00cb.jpg

[beowulf7]

I Wonder if they have hit a plateu a 1TB. 5, 200gb Platters is quite a feat in my mind.

One thing I learned is that anytime one thinks a plateau has been reached in comp. tech. (or any tech. for that matter), someone (or some company) finds a way to break through that plateau. :cool:

[FM 3370]

I can't wait to get my hands on this one. If it's $349, I'd definitely get one since I'm already thinking of a $309 750 gig.

[FromTheLou]

IBM Has had many Multi-Platter Drives that worked just fine, like this 1956 IBM 305, 5MB hard Drive;


lol, i used to work on IBM System 34/36 and I was amazed to see the 40MB hard drives that are bigger than my computer case now. It was fun the first time I had to climb into one!

And yes that is an 8 inch floppy! And no that is not me.

http://www.bowkera.com/images/Dolby Years/Dolby Bowker System 36.jpg

[protias]

And yes that is an 8 inch floppy! And no that is not me.


Is that what she said? lol, I had to say it. If I didn't, someone else would have :p

[MrGuvernment]

nice to see, though I am such a irrational customer that I won't buy a 5 platter drive from hitachi, after the deathstar incident.


Deathstar was IBM.... ?

[tacticus]

Deathstar was IBM.... ?

Hitachi bought IBMs drive business

[volve]

So... where are these 7K1000 drives then? I'm delaying my new RAID for them, hehe. :)

March 5th and no news?

[ChingChang]

and I'm still waiting for Seagate's 1TB... where are you guy :((

[HyperTension]

AGHHHH!!! Doublespace.. wow.. I remember that..

Installing windows 3.1 on floppies, Running wildcat BBS, and a 15lb 20MB HD (So it seemed). WOW

[Goatbert]

I remember when I ordered my first drive (WD 40GB), I thought that was a lot.

....Now I have 2.5 TB and don't think that is all that much :eek: :(

I had a 40mb in my first PC, it was a Seagate. Added a second drive, a 170mb quantum. I never thought I would run out of room :)

[Ockie]

I Wonder if they have hit a plateu a 1TB. 5, 200gb Platters is quite a feat in my mind.

Yes. However, I remember them speaking that 260gb per platter is their current max, so you can still see 1.25 TB drives before they really have to start retooling.

and I'm still waiting for Seagate's 1TB... where are you guy :((

I'm still waiting too...... *where is my love*.....