VISTA RTM

[annaconda]

Is Microsoft going to let us download free RTM version of VISTA. According to several website they are going to release RTM today.

Any thoughts please?

Or

Link for Download

[Xilikon]

I hope (who wouldn't ;)) but I believe it won't be public. Only select ppl will test it to make sure all works fine before shipping to factory for duplication since it require the use of a final cdkey, not beta.

[annaconda]

Umm i heard it will be built 6.0. I need that until Microsoft release the complete Vista.

[phez]

RTM = Release to Manufacturing. This is not a release 'candidate' or a beta, this build goes to the presses.

[MixManSC]

I wish.... I just cannot see MS giving away a final non-expiring full release version of Windows Vista for free. Rumor mill does have it that RTM might be released today though. A Russian site I'm not going to name supposed already has RTM 6000.... Probably a fake though.

[annaconda]

PM me the site are they selling or download free ;)

[Dapperdan]

Is Microsoft going to let us download free RTM version of VISTA. According to several website they are going to release RTM today.

Any thoughts please?

Or

Link for Download


NO is the answer you seek, RTM is what you buy

[djnes]

RTM = Release to Manufacturing. This is not a release 'candidate' or a beta, this build goes to the presses.
Bingo, this version doesn't make it to the public....unless you buy it.

[HHunt]

Bingo, this version doesn't make it to the public....unless you buy it.

On the other hand, being allowed to download it if you have the appropriate licenses would make sense.
(Not really on-topic, but it would be a useful service to offer some day.)

[Dapperdan]

PM me the site are they selling or download free ;)


That kind of talk will get threads like this closed :rolleyes:

[djnes]

On the other hand, being allowed to download it if you have the appropriate licenses would make sense.
(Not really on-topic, but it would be a useful service to offer some day.)
I'm not familiar with this topic, but I was under the impression that some VLK customers could download legal isos of their licensed software.

[SJConsultant]

I'm not familiar with this topic, but I was under the impression that some VLK customers could download legal isos of their licensed software.

If they are not doing that now, It shouldn't be too difficult considering Iwe can download VLK editions of software from our MSDN subscription.

[djnes]

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

[Ryokurin]

I'm not familiar with this topic, but I was under the impression that some VLK customers could download legal isos of their licensed software.


Yes. they can. but typically not immediately. Even so VLK are not treated the same way as they were in XP. VLK licenses now require a authentication server that checks the licenses.

[HHunt]

I'm not familiar with this topic, but I was under the impression that some VLK customers could download legal isos of their licensed software.

Recieving as many DVDs as potential installations would sort of be a waste, wouldn't it. :)
I was thinking more in the direction of Steam, where a single user can log on and get a copy.

[Flyboat]

Everybody should wait for vista sp1, since there are 500 bugs in RTM version.

[Dapperdan]

Everybody should wait for vista sp1, since there are 500 bugs in RTM version.


Thats not enough of a reason to not get it, XP at RTM has something like 10,000 bugs or more. Iv been running vista for a few months now as my main OS and love it with almost 0 issues. Also anything as simple as a wrong color on something counts as a bug. IMO waiting for sp1 is just being picky.

[cherrypik]

Thats not enough of a reason to not get it, XP at RTM has something like 10,000 bugs or more. Iv been running vista for a few months now as my main OS and love it with almost 0 issues. Also anything as simple as a wrong color on something counts as a bug. IMO waiting for sp1 is just being picky.

I really have no issue with my RC2 either...

[djnes]

Waiting for SP1 is a standard practice in business processes, but that probably doesn't apply to home usage. For me, I'll be waiting until it's been out for a little while, and the drivers seem to mature...then I'll make my decision. I'll probably get one copy for work, to begin testing in our environment.

[annaconda]

So do you guys think RC2 or Build 5840 will get updates like RTM?

[Russell]

For me, I'll be waiting until it's been out for a little while, and the drivers seem to mature...then I'll make my decision.QUOTE]

That's really what it comes down to for me too. I hope to build a new system with Vista, but before I do so I want drivers to be available for ALL my hardware. My printer doesn't currently work with RC2, for example.

[QUOTE=annaconda]So do you guys think RC2 or Build 5840 will get updates like RTM?

I don't think it will. MS implied that it won't. I really don't know why.

[phobic]

So do you guys think RC2 or Build 5840 will get updates like RTM?

I'm going to go ahead and say... no. The RC builds were basically a "gimme" from MS to allow the general public to do a personal evaluation on Vista. These builds were pretty much released as is. If MS provided updates to them, why would they even bother trying to sell it?

Anyway, since I love being a computer guinea pig, I'm buying Vista on day 1. Let the headaches begin!! :D

[Tylerdurdened]

How much would Vista Home Basic N cost? about..

[tesfaye]

Well, I don't know about the general public but MSDN subscribers are covered. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/default.aspx

[annaconda]

Microsoft launched the RTM today, MSDN will get it after Nov 10th :D

[tesfaye]

Microsoft (#) launched the RTM today, MSDN will get it after Nov 10th :D:D ^5 @ annaconda

[coold8]

Hi,

If I install 5840 will I be able to upgraded to the real vista once it becomse available? Thanks.

[SJConsultant]

Hi,

If I install 5840 will I be able to upgraded to the real vista once it becomse available? Thanks.

Sure.. just go out and buy a copy in January. :p

[coold8]

Yea but I mean without reformatting. Just want to make sure before I take the leap of death!

[djnes]

Yea but I mean without reformatting. Just want to make sure before I take the leap of death!
If it was my system, I'd do a clean reformat for the simple fact of going from a beta to a final copy.

[Dapperdan]

Yea but I mean without reformatting. Just want to make sure before I take the leap of death!


No you will have to do a clean install

[annaconda]

I installed 5840 on XP Pro. I had to reformat the hard drive there is no option for upgrade right now. It might be in RTM version or final retail version.

Ok do you guys know which security suites are ready for VISTA.

[sluzbenik]

If you have 5840 running with a beta key using the hack that's out, then you already know how it will be possible to set a legit key without re-installing, if that's what you want. But there might have been changes to the RTM.

I don't want to spend the money but I'm thinking about Vista...It is a lot quicker booting, pretty much all my stuff works, and I guess in time I will grow to appreciate the security. I might upgrade when there are official drivers out for all my devices.

And really XP just looks and feels a little clunky now.

[ElaborateDream]

Everybody should wait for vista sp1, since there are 500 bugs in RTM version.

That's untrue.

-- Dude who might end up working on SP1.

[tesfaye]

That's untrue.

-- Dude who might end up working on SP1.Can you give a little info on the kernel improvements that are supposed to be part of SP1? I hear MS is supposed to be using the Longhorn kernel for SP1. Also, Ballmer was quoted as saying that Vista shifts the code around in memory to random locations for each session to thwart various attacks on the OS. I read a while back that this was a 64bit only feature. Was this changed to include the 32bit versions recently? He never mentioned which version of the OS his son was using in the interview just that he felt safe letting him use it without antivirus.

If the kernel memory location shifting code is 64bit only will that change in SP1? I mean seriously the average user would benefit greatly from this feature and lets face it, the average consumer isn't installing the 64bit version for home use since there is so much software and hardware that won't work with it along with the memory requirements to run it well.

[arman01]

anyone know where i can still download RC2....i completely missed it.

and before anyone asks i DO have a legitimate key from microsoft to be able to run RC2.

[Fuse]

I'm running RTM right now, and I've got to say its definately an improvement over the previous builds. nVidia driver support is terrible at the moment. Only complaint really. Its not as fast as XP, and I feel that Vista really is just XP with a new theme and some window effects. What happened to all the features they talked about at the keynote? What happened to WinFS?

[phobic]

I'm running RTM right now, and I've got to say its definately an improvement over the previous builds. nVidia driver support is terrible at the moment. Only complaint really. Its not as fast as XP, and I feel that Vista really is just XP with a new theme and some window effects. What happened to all the features they talked about at the keynote? What happened to WinFS?

WinFS was pretty much killed a while ago. MS cancelled the project but is using some of it's tech in other products.

[roninblade]

I'm running RTM right now, and I've got to say its definately an improvement over the previous builds. nVidia driver support is terrible at the moment. Only complaint really. Its not as fast as XP, and I feel that Vista really is just XP with a new theme and some window effects. What happened to all the features they talked about at the keynote? What happened to WinFS?

im not going to lie, i had all the visuals shut down when i ran XP and now im running Vista with all of them on and i think Vista is alot faster.

[Flyboat]

Doesn't sound legal to me! Let me know how that reduced functionality works out for ya when the crack no longer works.

just like xp as long as you don't use window update, it will work

[digital_exhaust]

just like xp as long as you don't use window update, it will work

I'm just curious, but did it suddenly become ok to discuss methods that will allow you to illegally use software? I was under the impression that this was a no-no.

[Flyboat]

I'm just curious, but did it suddenly become ok to discuss methods that will allow you to illegally use software? I was under the impression that this was a no-no.


If that is illegal, just deleted

[tesfaye]

What the hell MSDN, where is my Vista download!?!?! I'm trying to be patient, I really am!

[Tylerdurdened]

What the hell MSDN, where is my Vista download!?!?! I'm trying to be patient, I really am!
Give me your MSDN info and I'll let you know when it's out ;)

[Dapperdan]

I'm just curious, but did it suddenly become ok to discuss methods that will allow you to illegally use software? I was under the impression that this was a no-no.


It is a big no-no :eek:

[tesfaye]

Give me your MSDN info and I'll let you know when it's out ;)Yeah, you can uhm... you know... keep a look out for that PM with my info.:p

[odoe]

Ok.
This isn't a difficult concept.
No warez talk, means you don't talk about it.
I don't care if you can download it, I don't care where you can download it and I sure don't care if you know where to get cracks for it.

This forum is not for showing off that you know how to use a torrent site, so keep your warez to yourself or get banned.

This message brought to you in color so you can't claim you didn't see it.

[tesfaye]

MSDN and Microsoft Licensing both have Office 2007 available for download. Vista can't be too far behind!

[annaconda]

I heard VISTA is available for MSDN community over the weekend. Can some one with MSDN membership please confirm that?

[nismo_r34]

I heard VISTA is available for MSDN community over the weekend. Can some one with MSDN membership please confirm that?

Over which weekend? It wasn't available this past weekend and I was checking like a hawk :p

Office 2007 has made it to MSDN however.

http://www.hardfolding.com/utag1.php/mem/110/1.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=36&id=110&type=1)

[tesfaye]

Over which weekend? It wasn't available this past weekend and I was checking like a hawk :p

Office 2007 has made it to MSDN however.
Well they did say within 7 days. I've been checking every hour.

[annaconda]

Well i just confirmed. It is also at techpower.com, it will release to MSDN people on Friday November 17th.

So you guys have to wait, but i will be installing tonight. ;)

[ElaborateDream]

Can you give a little info on the kernel improvements that are supposed to be part of SP1? I hear MS is supposed to be using the Longhorn kernel for SP1. Also, Ballmer was quoted as saying that Vista shifts the code around in memory to random locations for each session to thwart various attacks on the OS. I read a while back that this was a 64bit only feature. Was this changed to include the 32bit versions recently? He never mentioned which version of the OS his son was using in the interview just that he felt safe letting him use it without antivirus.

If the kernel memory location shifting code is 64bit only will that change in SP1? I mean seriously the average user would benefit greatly from this feature and lets face it, the average consumer isn't installing the 64bit version for home use since there is so much software and hardware that won't work with it along with the memory requirements to run it well.

Oh, I'd love to be able to talk about things like this, but this is firmly covered with my employment NDA, and I *really* like this whole post-college idea of getting PAID to work. :)

Also, the quote about comfortable with his son was from Jim Allchin I think, and not SteveB. For all detailed SP questions, I'd just follow the MSDN channels, and learn things as they become public.

[J4M3S0N79]

Now,
Anyone who knows anything about RTM releases knows that this is not the version that will make it on to retail DVDs. MS will still be squashing bugs for many weeks in preparation of the retail launch.

The RTM releases are basically for SIs who need to start testing hardware and software compatibility and making changes to the OS as needed (the dell logo in the system properties window). Dell and GW and HP will take their time with the releases testing stability and deployment strategies. Additionally, peridodic fixes will be integrated into the master image so that SIs can hit the ground running.

Now, the question I have is that Vista supports the express upgrade program and to my knowledge, will let you install ANY version of the software on your machine for 30 days without activation. It would be interesting if you can purchase the software once you install it if you do not have an activation key. I did do that with my XP copy inherited from my friends computer. It was complaining after WGA and I was mad as all heck so I followed t he directions and bought the WGA kit and a disc and key showed up a few weeks later.

I wonder if vista is the same.

Additionally, I wonder if MS has place restrictions on Dell and peers that systems cannot ship until the new year with vista.

I wonder what is to stop a voodoo or ABS from shipping vista today. To me it seems that everything SHOULD be in place and those 500+ bugs are the only thing really left to tackle in this calm period.

Who knows, maybe it's just a period to let the Vista team get some much needed rest.


Finally, I do want to chime in that we really should all be excited for this release. MS Haters, Lovers, 'ix'ers, OSX'ers and Palm'ers should be excited to see the OS market getting shaken up again. I am sure the debates will be numerous and fervent but I will say this.

MS may not be the cutting edge software company that Apple and other are. But if there is one company that is most responsible for getting the world on the same page, it most certainly is microsoft. I expect that this release will ooze with subdued but refined features sure to enhance the many, many hours spent at a keyboard each day.

[Dapperdan]

Now,
Anyone who knows anything about RTM releases knows that this is not the version that will make it on to retail DVDs. MS will still be squashing bugs for many weeks in preparation of the retail launch.



Um no RTM will be the same as the '07 retail release. M$ is done "squashing bugs" till SP1 or updates start. Thats why they waited till it got to 500 bugs to goto RTM. And no Dell, HP and GW are not taking their time to do "their thing" cause they dont have much time left.

[Alias2]

So when do I get my free Premium copy for buying a new laptop?

[zeplar]

Wonder if they'll make the VLK download bootable.

[tesfaye]

Wonder if they'll make the VLK download bootable.All the recent VLK WinXP and Server 2003 downloads have been bootable. I see no reason why that would change.

[zeplar]

All the recent VLK WinXP and Server 2003 downloads have been bootable. I see no reason why that would change.

I guess they reverted and put the checkbox acknowledgement to cover? I hadn't checked since they were pulled.

Weird how Office Enterprise 2007 is in img form, labeled DVD5, and can't be exported to France.

Got our Vista KMS key, now to wait for the image file.

[ShadowVlican]

MS may not be the cutting edge software company that Apple and other are. But if there is one company that is most responsible for getting the world on the same page, it most certainly is microsoft.
amen to that

linux, with its many distributions and software, although great, does nothing to bring users of linux together (there are multiple programs that essentially do the same thing, all very well, just slightly different from each other... that's effort wasted that could've gone towards ONE UBER software)

[Viper87227]

Over which weekend? It wasn't available this past weekend and I was checking like a hawk :p

Office 2007 has made it to MSDN however.

http://www.hardfolding.com/utag1.php/mem/110/1.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=36&id=110&type=1)


Crap :(. Offfice 2007 isn't available to me on MSDN. I hope vista is.

[tesfaye]

Crap :(. Offfice 2007 isn't available to me on MSDN (#). I hope vista is.Are you sure about that? Turn off filtering on the MSDN page and don't go by the newest releases info on the homepage for your account as that info is different depending on the plan. If you go to product keys, do you see an entry for Office 2007?

[Viper87227]

Are you sure about that? Turn off filtering on the MSDN page and don't go by the newest releases info on the homepage for your account as that info is different depending on the plan. If you go to product keys, do you see an entry for Office 2007?


No sir, nowhere to be found. For the record, I have an acedemic subscription to MSDN, so the software might be different. However, I am going to keep my hopes high for Vista anyways. There are 8 million different XP downloads on here, so I see no reason why Vista won't show up.

[tesfaye]

Ahh, yes you did mention that in an earlier post. I was reading MS's web page on subscriptions the other day and I think only the MSDN Universal and Visual Studio get Office applications (#).

[ChronoReverse]

AFAIK, Academic Alliance doesn't give you the Office applications. Too bad. I remember in the past they did give Office though.

[Viper87227]

AFAIK, Academic Alliance doesn't give you the Office applications. Too bad. I remember in the past they did give Office though.


No, no office. We get access, but that's it .Sort of stupid, I use Word and Excel far more for school work than Access.

But, as I said, we still get all the OS's (there is a few copys of XP, 2000, and 2003 Server), so I am keeping my fingers crossed for Vista. Hopefully we will get it at the same time too, and not have to wait.

[Viper87227]

Ok... quick question. When running vista, anything that I maximize looses its transparancy, and also if anything is maximized, the taskbar looses its transparacy. Anyone know why this happens, and if there is a way to change it? It isn't a huge deal, but I'd like to change it if possible.

[ChronoReverse]

It's done on purpose since when you maximize, the intent is to fully focus on the application. I'm more surprised you noticed this and are irritated by it; I found the effect fairly subtle and quite unobtrusive.

[Viper87227]

It's done on purpose since when you maximize, the intent is to fully focus on the application. I'm more surprised you noticed this and are irritated by it; I found the effect fairly subtle and quite unobtrusive.


It doesn't bother me... i'd just rather have it transparent. it isn't so much the start bar as it is the window bar. I am using the black aero, and when I maximize a window the title bar is pitch black w/ white text, and I just don't like the look of it.

[ChronoReverse]

Interesting, I use Black Aero Glass too. I like the look a lot more than the default colour. I don't mind the solid black and white though, the contrast makes for clarity. Dunno if anything can be done about that though. It's likely there's some registry setting that could adjust that =/